# Duplicating MetO Cray run on Monsoon **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Tags:** Monsoon2\ **Created:** [6 January 2025 09:07 UTC](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/t/duplicating-meto-cray-run-on-monsoon/1599 "2025-01-06T09:07:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![James\_Weber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e495f1/32.png) [@James\_Weber](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/u/James_Weber)\ **Post date:** [6 January 2025 09:07 UTC](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/t/duplicating-meto-cray-run-on-monsoon/1599/1 "2025-01-06T09:07:53Z")
Hi, I am trying to a rerun a MetO Cray suite, u-br700, on Monsoon to output extra diagnostics. The suite I am using is u-dm032. I am initialising it from u-br700 start dumps for 2065 with recon off and following the approach of [Bit comparability for re-run cycles](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/t/bit-comparability-for-re-run-cycles/1470) for bit comparability. Specifically: 1. Recon disabled 2. astart set to the desired dump file 3. BITCOMP\_NRUN = true 4. l\_nrun\_as\_crun = true I appreciate bit comparability may be impossible due to running on a different machine but the output from the first 3 months of running is very different to that of u-br700. Could you have a look at my suite and see if I am doing anything wrong with the initialisation? Many thanks for your help, James ---
**Author:** ![mdalvi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ad7895/32.png) [@mdalvi](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/u/mdalvi)\ **Post date:** [6 January 2025 10:54 UTC](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/t/duplicating-meto-cray-run-on-monsoon/1599/2 "2025-01-06T10:54:18Z")
Hi James, The results should bit-compare between Meto-cray and Monsoon. The differences between u-br700 and your suite can be seen [here](https://code.metoffice.gov.uk/trac/roses-u/changeset/307089/d/m/0/3/2?old=307213&old_path=%2Fb%2Fr%2F7%2F0%2F0). While most of these are either technical or moving of ancillary files from ‘temporary’ to the central locations, there are some differences in the ocean branch revised used, as well as some nemo\_cice settings. I am not user how much these will affect model evolution. More importantly, I think dm032 uses UKCA emission files from a CH4-emission run, and while the ‘emissions’ themselves should be ignored in concentration-driven runs, the flux adjustment values could still be added to methane tracer? ---
**Author:** ![James\_Weber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e495f1/32.png) [@James\_Weber](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/u/James_Weber)\ **Post date:** [6 January 2025 11:10 UTC](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/t/duplicating-meto-cray-run-on-monsoon/1599/3 "2025-01-06T11:10:05Z")
Hi Mohit, Many thanks for your help. I will look at the ocean files. Re the methane emissions, I’m a bit confused as I think u-br700 and u-dm032 are effectively emissions driven runs as they use Gerd’s emission driven branch even though emission driven logical isn’t selected (as I’m not sure it existed at 11.2). Is that right? Cheers, James ---
**Author:** ![mdalvi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ad7895/32.png) [@mdalvi](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/u/mdalvi)\ **Post date:** [6 January 2025 11:59 UTC](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/t/duplicating-meto-cray-run-on-monsoon/1599/4 "2025-01-06T11:59:14Z")
Ah, yes. I had missed the CH4 emission files in br700 due to the change in order of the files ! So, as far as I can see the only possibly relevant changes are on the ocean side. How much of a change are you seeing between output? ---
**Author:** ![James\_Weber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e495f1/32.png) [@James\_Weber](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/u/James_Weber)\ **Post date:** [6 January 2025 15:57 UTC](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/t/duplicating-meto-cray-run-on-monsoon/1599/5 "2025-01-06T15:57:57Z")
Hi Mohit, Looking at the ozone mmr on pressure levels (51001), I’m seeing fluctuations of ~ 10 ppb in the lower and mid stratosphere which isn’t huge but it’s making the signal I’m getting when I compare runs with the control and perturbed methane emissions harder to interpret. I’ll try modifying the ocean setup. Cheers, James ---
**Author:** ![James\_Weber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e495f1/32.png) [@James\_Weber](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/u/James_Weber)\ **Post date:** [6 January 2025 16:30 UTC](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/t/duplicating-meto-cray-run-on-monsoon/1599/6 "2025-01-06T16:30:39Z")
Sorry, one further thing, could I just clarify if there is any technical difference for coupled suites between: 1. Having recon=FALSE and pointing astart to the desired dump file (in namelist:nlcfiles) and 1. Having recon=TRUE, not reinitialising any prognostics, setting ainitial to the desired dump file (in namelist:recon\_technical) and then having astart=‘$ROSE\_DATA/$RUNID.astart’ Likewise, for AMIP suites, 1. specifying recon=FALSE and pointing astart to the desired dump file (in app/um/rose-app.conf namelist:nlcfiles) and 1. having recon=TRUE and setting ainitial in rose-suite.conf to the desired dump file (again not not reinitialising any prognostics) I have tended to do option 2 for no particular reason but wanted to check! James ---
**Author:** ![grenville](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/grenville/32/29_2.png) [@grenville](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/u/grenville)\ **Post date:** [7 January 2025 10:45 UTC](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/t/duplicating-meto-cray-run-on-monsoon/1599/7 "2025-01-07T10:45:46Z")
James Option 2 is not guaranteed to produce the start file used in option 1. The reconfiguration can introduce bit-level differences - you can check by using mule-cumf to compare files. Grenville ---
**Author:** ![James\_Weber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e495f1/32.png) [@James\_Weber](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/u/James_Weber)\ **Post date:** [7 January 2025 15:31 UTC](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/t/duplicating-meto-cray-run-on-monsoon/1599/8 "2025-01-07T15:31:42Z")
Thanks, Grenville. Is there any documentation on using mule cumf? Cheers, James ---
**Author:** ![grenville](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/grenville/32/29_2.png) [@grenville](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/u/grenville)\ **Post date:** [7 January 2025 15:56 UTC](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/t/duplicating-meto-cray-run-on-monsoon/1599/9 "2025-01-07T15:56:32Z")
on ARCHER, try `mule-cumf --help` that should give enough to use the utility (& a pointer to UM file information) Grenville ---
**Author:** ![James\_Weber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e495f1/32.png) [@James\_Weber](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/u/James_Weber)\ **Post date:** [7 January 2025 18:27 UTC](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/t/duplicating-meto-cray-run-on-monsoon/1599/10 "2025-01-07T18:27:58Z")
Thanks, Grenville, and sorry, I should have asked earlier, but which files should I be comparing? Would it be the dump file (which is the input to the recon task) and the astart file which is output by that recon task and is stored in cylc-run? ---
**Author:** ![grenville](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/grenville/32/29_2.png) [@grenville](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/u/grenville)\ **Post date:** [8 January 2025 13:09 UTC](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/t/duplicating-meto-cray-run-on-monsoon/1599/11 "2025-01-08T13:09:55Z")
I think you should compare the astart file used in Option 1 with what the reconfiguration produced in Option 2. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Weber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e495f1/32.png) [@James\_Weber](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/u/James_Weber)\ **Post date:** [8 January 2025 15:29 UTC](https://cms-helpdesk.ncas.ac.uk/t/duplicating-meto-cray-run-on-monsoon/1599/12 "2025-01-08T15:29:58Z")
Thanks, Grenville. ---
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